
Steve Carell. Stephen Colbert. Louis C.K. Charlie Kaufman. Robert Smigel. Some of comedy’s greatest minds got one of their biggest breaks on the short-lived but much-loved “The Dana Carvey Show.” Fifteen years later, in this exclusive oral history, the players recount the brief but fertile life of a truly unusual show.
Jon Hamm, Live-Action “Ace,” “The Ambiguously Gay Duo”: I’m such a nerd about that stuff. I remember being super-psyched for it. Dana had just come off of SNL and I remember thinking, Oh, this is going to be awesome. Then the 2011 version of me goes, No it isn’t, it’s on ABC in primetime, and there’s no way it’s going to find an audience. It’s way too funny and specific and kind of obtuse for a mass audience to get.
One of the lasting influences of The Dana Carvey Show today is the perseverance of an animated superhero short voiced by Stephen Colbert and Steve Carell called “The Ambiguously Gay Duo.”
Carvey: Smigel brought in the sketches for “The Ambiguously Gay Duo.” That was another moment when I said, “Wow, this is brilliant. ‘The Ambiguously Gay Duo,” are you kidding me? “Let’s order six of those.” That was another one that later broke on SNL.
“The Ambiguously Gay Duo,” about a team comprised of two superheroes named Ace and Gary, who seem quite fond of each other, was last seen on Saturday Night Live in 2007. That was, until this past May, when Robert Smigel, using a treatment for a film he had written about the duo, filmed a live action version for starring Jon Hamm as Ace and Jimmy Fallon as Gary.
Smigel: Jon Hamm was the only person now that I was at all interested in for the part of Ace, and if he hadn’t been interested, I wouldn’t have bothered. Obviously he’s a big comedy fan—a big comedy nerd himself—and he was way into it.
Jon Hamm: Lorne had said, actually, “We’re trying to do this thing. Maybe you would be interested.” And I was like, “Oh, yeah, totally.” Having been such a fan, of not only “The Ambiguously Gay Duo,” but all of the TV Fun House stuff. And then I sat down with Robert at a diner on the Upper West Side and he was like, “Do you want to do this? If we can do it, would you be game?”
Jimmy Fallon, Live-Action “Gary,” “The Ambiguously Gay Duo”: I remember after watching it I thought in my head that it could be a funny movie. I was thinking like Justin Timberlake and me. And then, years later, Smigel is doing this huge budgeted short for Saturday Night Live. He sent me an email: “We’re doing the show, would you like to play Gary?” And I was like, “Oh my God, this is an honor.” I’ve always wanted to play a superhero, let alone one of “The Ambiguously Gay Duo.”
Smigel: Jesus Christ, Steve Carell flew across the country to do three lines in “Live-Action Ace and Gary.” He only did that out of the goodness of his heart.
Colbert: I knew I’d lose my part to someone with shoulders. It was really enjoyable playing Dr. Braino because I invented Braino—so it was a character that I invented. And I worked on all of Robert’s “Ambiguously Gay” [sketches] over the years and loved playing Ace and haven’t a jealous bone in my body to whoever wants to put on a cod piece.
Hamm: I can only respond to that with that I’m very happy to stand on Stephen Colbert’s non-existent shoulders.
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Fallon: Yeah, it was weird because we were in this warehouse in Brooklyn and I had the show as well. So I would go in the morning and we’d film a couple scenes of “Ace and Gary” and I’d go back to 30 Rock in Manhattan, I’d shoot the show, then, after the show, I’d go back out to Brooklyn and finish the shooting.
Hamm: I’ll be dead honest with you. The most awkward moment was getting into those costumes. Me and Fallon laughed more about that than anything else. It’s like you’re putting on latex fake muscles, girdles and codpieces and ridiculousness. And I remember Jimmy and I sort of standing in our boxers with wigs and makeup on going, “Are we adults? This is insane.”
Fallon: It was hilarious. We were laughing the whole time, it was ridiculous walking around in those outfits. You do feel for Christian Bale because you can’t just go to the bathroom because there’s too much prosthetics. The most awkward was definitely the stretching. In the middle of our fight, Ace and Gary decide to do some stretching so they can limber up to fight more people. I remember my leg was on Jon’s shoulder. At one point I was holding his legs up in the air like a wheelbarrow with my face very close to his crotch. I asked if Smigel wanted to air it in front of my audience to gauge the laughs, then you can make edits and cuts.
Smigel: He offered me to have his audience watch it as a test screening, and I declined because my biggest fear was the Hamm/Fallon live action surprise would leak and ruin it for the SNL viewers.
Chott: I did the announcer voiceover for that. And, actually, when I was recording that with Robert—I don’t know, but maybe he plans in some way to bring the show back.
Smigel: After we did it there was talk of, “Well, let’s see now if anyone wants to do it as a movie,” but I’m not counting any chickens there.
Hamm: Obviously, it all depends. Robert wrote a brief treatment of the project with Stephen. They wrote what was kind of what we shot, only 50 pages longer.
Fallon: I mean, yeah. Of course! It’s so fun to do. I mean, Smigel comes up with these really great jokes; it’s a very well-written piece. I’m sure if Smigel is involved it’s going to be super-hilarious. So, yeah, I’d be honored, of course.
Hamm: You’re looking at a dude in a skintight suit calling someone by a nickname totally earnestly—it’s a little bit hilarious. I’m a huge comic book geek as well. I collected comic books throughout my teenage years, but when you have people called Storm and Magneto and Thor… Thor’s a dude that throws a hammer at people. I mean, without the mutual agreement between audience and creator of, “OK, we’re going with this,” it’s a dude throwing a hammer at somebody. Which is a really ineffective way to fight crime or defeat bad people. So it is kind of funny when taken completely earnestly. That’s the spirit that Robert and Stephen and all of the people who originally started this mined to really good comedy effect. There is something sort of gay and hilarious about two really close pals who choose to work out together in tight clothes and fight crime.
Smigel: Jon Hamm is a godsend to comedians because he’s so funny. We are all huge fans of him and expect him to be appropriately aloof, and it turns out he’s one of the biggest comedy nerds in the country.
Fallon: He’s got that thing of being good-looking but also being very funny and getting the joke. Alec Baldwin is probably the only other guy who has that. It’s a weird combination. It’s rare.
Source: GQ